"...that's the world we're in, you know. Where there's people using the Blue Truth and the Red Truth and it's all a battle of wills. Of thoughts and beliefs. And maybe I should've given up. But I figured something out... I wasn't done yet. So I came back and I made another go at it and - hey. It worked-"

He spreads his arms with a little laugh.

"...they made me the game master of that board, after that, actually."